Liberalism has taken the transgender movement too far

[William Brownstein]

This is an explosive article full of controversy
that we see playing out in the news. I agree with much written here. Disrobing in the locker room shouldn't be forced on others when someone is trying to come to terms of their gender. Despite the many accommodations that were provided, it is never enough.

Very well spelled out on the liberalism agenda that is never satisfied and feel they have to have it all, even if it infringes on the rights and religious beliefs of others. I don't call the examples of abuse argued here progress but rather backwards in thinking. And yes there are plenty of places same-sex couples can go to for wedding cakes without infringing upon someone's religious beliefs as the writer mentioned.

The showering and changing of a transgender person in front of the opposite gender and the use of a public restroom has taken it a bit too far, especially when this involves school children who may not all be as accepting of this, as well as the parents of these children.

As for Bruce Jenner, he seems to be capitalizing on all the attention he has received and does reality shows. He or now she definitely deserves to live out their own lives and be happy, but I think he is projecting the wrong messages with a society who still hasn't come to full terms with same-sex marriages.

Really interesting piece full of great talking points that can continue the discussions. You may disagree or agree with the issues presented here, but they certainly are things we continue to see in this day of age.

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/with-the-transgender-movement-liberalism-has-finally-descended-into-total-madness/

[kevin]

Post by William Brownstein
This is an explosive article full of controversy
that we see playing out in the news. I agree with much written here. Disrobing in the locker room shouldn't be forced on others when someone is trying to come to terms of their gender. Despite the many accommodations that were provided, it is never enough.
Very well spelled out on the liberalism agenda that is never satisfied and feel they have to have it all, even if it infringes on the rights and religious beliefs of others. I don't call the examples of abuse argued here progress but rather backwards in thinking. And yes there are plenty of places same-sex couples can go to for wedding cakes without infringing upon someone's religious beliefs as the writer mentioned.
The showering and changing of a transgender person in front of the opposite gender and the use of a public restroom has taken it a bit too far, especially when this involves school children who may not all be as accepting of this, as well as the parents of these children.
As for Bruce Jenner, he seems to be capitalizing on all the attention he has received and does reality shows. He or now she definitely deserves to live out their own lives and be happy, but I think he is projecting the wrong messages with a society who still hasn't come to full terms with same-sex marriages.
Really interesting piece full of great talking points that can continue the discussions. You may disagree or agree with the issues presented here, but they certainly are things we continue to see in this day of age.
http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/with-the-transgender-movement-liberalism-has-finally-descended-into-total-madness/

I know from long experience there is nothing to be gained by debating this with you. We're just going to disagree. BTW - Caitlyn Jenner is largely irrelevant to the idea of transgender rights. She is a celebrity living in a bubble that makes her situation irrelevant to the larger rights issue of transgendered people. Glen Beck is a religious right wing wack job that is irrelevant to any and all conversations about almost anything.

[William Brownstein]

I was going by what I have personally of him, little as it may be. I haven't heard the Canada mention. Is this based on tumors and lies like the media did with Dr Ben Carson? I couldn't imagine anyone like him running if this is true.

As for the current occupier holding America's highest office, some feel that his birth certificate is a phony document. I have no opinion on this either way as I wasn't there when he was born.

Then again Bill Clinton looked the American straight in their faces and uttered the words "I did not have sex with that woman" and we all know how that one turned out to be. Frankly the only thing about that chapter was the waste of time and money Ken Starr and the tax payer's footed for the bill.

[kevin]

Post by William Brownstein
I was going by what I have personally of him, little as it may be. I haven't heard the Canada mention. Is this based on tumors and lies like the media did with Dr Ben Carson? I couldn't imagine anyone like him running if this is true.
As for the current occupier holding America's highest office, some feel that his birth certificate is a phony document. I have no opinion on this either way as I wasn't there when he was born.
Then again Bill Clinton looked the American straight in their faces and uttered the words "I did not have sex with that woman" and we all know how that one turned out to be. Frankly the only thing about that chapter was the waste of time and money Ken Starr and the tax payer's footed for the bill.

The Canada thing is fact - he was born in Canada, and even made a public display of renouncing his Canadian citizenship. I don't hold it against him - his father at least and maybe his mother were already naturalized Americans so his eligibility to run is really not in issue - but neither was Obama's. His mother was American, and as such he is American regardless of where he was born - like John McCain who was born in Panama. My issue on this point was simply he has been willing to feed into the hysteria and racism of the Obama - birther for his own political gain.

The Carson issues I've been seeing indicate he might be padding his story a la Brian The Liar Williams, and Bill I can lie because I'm number 1 O'Reilly. I'm not sure it is really an issue for Dr. Carson. Some of the issues seem simply unverifiable or unknowable by anyone else but Carson. My issue with him is more basic - I just disagree with him, regardless of the fact he has been a great doctor and a really decent human. I'd go to a ball game with him - but I would not vote for him.

Yes, Bill Clinton was a liar on personal issues and I'm sure others, and yes I'd vote for him again given the choices I had at the time, or the field I see in front of me now. The reality is all politicians are liars to some degree. ALL of them. They may deliberately lie, they may lie by omission, they may lie knowing they can't do what they promise, but that is the reality of politics, and I wish I could change it, but there we are!

[William Brownstein]

I tweeted the same thing earlier about the Brian Williams and Carson similarities. At least this is how it looked at first glance.

I've been listening to Mark Levin's program while eating dinner and also his quick interview with Carson. The media is doing this. In particular Politico put out the lies in a smear campaign. Yes all politicians lie - what else is new, but the propaganda by the media to attack is played full force. I guess many on the left say the same about Conservative organizations.

One think Mark mentioned about the media is attacks on any conservatives who are black.
He went on about it and it's interesting when Obama is critiqued it's racial? Mark just spent a few minutes about Hillary and what a liar she is. I agree with him, both Clinton's are liars and have used this tactic over and over for political gain and manipulation against others. Levin went as far as to say that Hillary should be in jail for life.

I heard on The View today that Carly Fiorina went head to head with the moderator's, especially with Joy Behar who is a nut job and showed total disrespect for her. It's one thing for the politician's to butt heads with one another but ugly and bad for journalists to engage in this practice like it was done on The Republican debate on CNBC. They acted like school children and not like professional journalists trying to bait the opponents to engage in dirt. They failed big time and the politicians stood their ground pointing it out. The questions asked look like a set up on behalf of the democrats. The president even poked fun of them for not being able to reply to moderators from CNBC. Obama should talk, when he has often complained about hardline questions asked by those on the right which were actually relevant to the destruction he has done to this country during his administration.

[kevin]

Post by William Brownstein
I tweeted the same thing earlier about the Brian Williams and Carson similarities. At least this is how it looked at first glance.
I've been listening to Mark Levin's program while eating dinner and also his quick interview with Carson. The media is doing this. In particular Politico put out the lies in a smear campaign. Yes all politicians lie - what else is new, but the propaganda by the media to attack is played full force. I guess many on the left say the same about Conservative organizations.
One think Mark mentioned about the media is attacks on any conservatives who are black.
He went on about it and it's interesting when Obama is critiqued it's racial? Mark just spent a few minutes about Hillary and what a liar she is. I agree with him, both Clinton's are liars and have used this tactic over and over for political gain and manipulation against others. Levin went as far as to say that Hillary should be in jail for life.
I heard on The View today that Carly Fiorina went head to head with the moderator's, especially with Joy Behar who is a nut job and showed total disrespect for her. It's one thing for the politician's to butt heads with one another but ugly and bad for journalists to engage in this practice like it was done on The Republican debate on CNBC. They acted like school children and not like professional journalists trying to bait the opponents to engage in dirt. They failed big time and the politicians stood their ground pointing it out. The questions asked look like a set up on behalf of the democrats. The president even poked fun of them for not being able to reply to moderators from CNBC. Obama should talk, when he has often complained about hardline questions asked by those on the right which were actually relevant to the destruction he has done to this country during his administration.

I agree black conservatives have a harder time with the media. I don't see too much of an issue with the things that are being raised about Carson as to their truthfulness. He may have embellished, it isn't a concern to me. I swing to the left anyway. More statements Trump has made have been called into question, but the media seems wiling to let them slide most of the time.

I also agree the Clintons are liars on a grand scale. No argument from me on that. The CNBC debate was horrible, and I agree with many of the candidates criticisms of that debate. Amazingly Fox News did the best job of any of the debates I watched. I know Trump was not happy with Megan Kelly, but I liked her in that debate - I'm usually not a fan, but she did her job.

Carly was 100% right about the View. I applaud her standing up for herself, given that the ladies of the View have complained when other media have done the same thing to female candidates. This may be the only time I agree with Carly but she was right to stand her ground. The view is just really, really sad anymore - very pathetic all the way around.

MSNBC hosted the Democrats tonight in a forum. It was not a debate, rather three interviews back to back with Rachel Maddow, using her own questions and audience questions. There was no bickering, it gave each candidate the chance to make their cases without much interruption. I thing the GOP would be wise to look at that format for themselves, rather than these caged death matches that pit one against another looking for a fatal gaffe.

[William Brownstein]

The debates themselves have gotten out of hand in overkill. Too many of them, too long and too many candidates on stage at once. Governor Christie has been bumped from the main debate on Tues night. At this point, I don't get that logic. A debate can give him new life.

The MSNBC forum you mentioned sounded good and control unlike the circus on CNBC.
I'm almost ready to quit watching NBC Nightly News again. NBC is a horrible news organization. I only watch for one reason, Lester Holt. I have always liked him but couldn't watch him during the months he filled in for Brian Williams. When he replaced Williams and was named new anchor for Nightly News, I went back to watching daily again. Good for Lester! He's the first black American to anchor a network evening newscast solo. I believe Max Robinson did too for ABC, but that was with three anchors and if I recall he was in Chicago. Holt is trust worthy and decent enough for me to have confidence to watch every night, even though I think the NBC news organization is slanted and has an agenda like the other networks to favor the left in how they deliver and treat the news in whole.

[William Brownstein]

I was curious about Max Robinson and confirmed that he was indeed the first black American to co-anchor a national network newscast. What I didn't know was that Robinson died from AIDS and the article and people don't speculate on how. It's almost a certainty that he was probably gay but that was a different time and many lived closeted lives and kept things like that unlike today. Interesting article about his ordeal with AIDS.

Max Robinson's Silent Struggle With AIDS - latimes http://articles.latimes.com/1988-12-22/news/vw-889_1_max-robinson via latimes

[kevin]

Post by William Brownstein
I was curious about Max Robinson and confirmed that he was indeed the first black American to co-anchor a national network newscast. What I didn't know was that Robinson died from AIDS and the article and people don't speculate on how. It's almost a certainty that he was probably gay but that was a different time and many lived closeted lives and kept things like that unlike today. Interesting article about his ordeal with AIDS.
Max Robinson's Silent Struggle With AIDS - latimes http://articles.latimes.com/1988-12-22/news/vw-889_1_max-robinson via latimes

I casually knew Max Robinson. Most likely he was infected by infected needles. He suffered from addiction issues. Among other things he was conflicted about his enormous success as a popular local, then national newsman. Very sad.

[William Brownstein]

That's right the article did mention addictions. Thanks for clarifying this.

I remember watching the three anchors when Reagan was shot and ABC prematurely said Brady had died. I believe Frank Reynolds who was one of the three got very angry about this but the misreporting.

I'm trying to play from memory here without googling this, but if memory serves well, the three anchors were Peter Jennings from London, Frank Reynolds from Washington DC and Max Robinson from Chicago all sharing the anchor duties for the nightly broadcast. That was an interesting experiment and so long ago.

[kevin]

Post by William Brownstein
That's right the article did mention addictions. Thanks for clarifying this.
I remember watching the three anchors when Reagan was shot and ABC prematurely said Brady had died. I believe Frank Reynolds who was one of the three got very angry about this but the misreporting.
I'm trying to play from memory here without googling this, but if memory serves well, the three anchors were Peter Jennings from London, Frank Reynolds from Washington DC and Max Robinson from Chicago all sharing the anchor duties for the nightly broadcast. That was an interesting experiment and so long ago.

Good memory. Max was a local anchor at WTOP Washington, which was then owned by The Washington Post - Newsweek group. He was an extremely popular anchor, probably the first black anchor in DC tv. He was paired with Gordon Peterson who only just recently retired. During the 70's, a group known as the Hanafi Muslims did an armed take over of the DC Municipal Building - the equivalent of city hall. In the siege that followed, then DC School Board Member Marion Barry was shot and seriously wounded. Max did a lot of the reporting at the scene, and at one point was invited in by the hostage takers to discuss the situation. Without looking it up, I don't recall how it all played out, but Max got a boost nationally for his reporting and his reputation grew. He was making great money doing local news and made mountains more when he went to ABC. He did great work, but it took a toll on him and he spiraled into addiction whoch cost him everything.

[William Brownstein]

Tragic downfall to a man who had so much and threw it all away.

[kevin]

Post by William Brownstein
Tragic downfall to a man who had so much and threw it all away.

Addiction is a tricky thing. I am reluctant to say he "threw it all away," but he certainly had his chances and they went South in a tragic way. Keep in mind he was in a rare position and he seemed to have serious doubts about his own worthiness for that position. Not everyone who competes can handle the pressures of winning.

Look how many great athletes fall be the wayside due to factors that have nothing to do with their talent? It seems lonely at the top. Speaking for myself, I've blown a number of great opportunities through my own failings, but I would not say I "threw it all away." Well, maybe a little . . .

[William Brownstein]

I posted my other reply by mistake in this thread. It's not easy using an iPhone as my access to the Internet but unfortuately right now that is all I have to work with.

My irritation in regards to that article was mostly at schools allowing a transgendered person to change and shower in front of others who were born biologically differnt than the true opposite sex students and how it is being more common to use public restrooms in the same manner.

It is outrageous and over the top. Many accommodations have been put in place with changes but at whose expense? The transgendered or the heterosexual?

As for the Glen Beck, I never watched or listened to him and know nothing about him unlike most of the right wing talk show hosts of who I know most.

[kevin]

Post by William Brownstein
I posted my other reply by mistake in this thread. It's not easy using an iPhone as my access to the Internet but unfortuately right now that is all I have to work with.
My irritation in regards to that article was mostly at schools allowing a transgendered person to change and shower in front of others who were born biologically differnt than the true opposite sex students and how it is being more common to use public restrooms in the same manner.
It is outrageous and over the top. Many accommodations have been put in place with changes but at whose expense? The transgendered or the heterosexual?
As for the Glen Beck, I never watched or listened to him and know nothing about him unlike most of the right wing talk show hosts of who I know most.

To me right now it looks like we're in two threads at the same time - LOL.
The restroom issue is one thing, and the locker room issue is another. This came up in Maryland a few years ago when the bill for transgender rights was passed and later petitioned to a referendum. Like Houston it was called the bathroom bill and I think we even got a visit form the child molester Josh Duggar fighting it. It survived all challenges and no one has had any problems in Maryland since that time. The "child molester feeling like a girl so he could use the girls bathroom" simply does not happen. To be considered Transgendered in Md., you have to present as the sex you are identifying with in dress and general appearance. Ergo in ladies restroom, all of which have private stalls it is not an issue. Locker rooms are different, but most people in locker rooms for gyms are there to change clothes, shower and leave. A shower curtain and a towel solves the problem. I'm sure some people may have some modesty issues, but that's fixable too - avert your eyes. Again, we're going to disagree on this and I'm not looking for a fight. I respect our differences, although I did question some of your source material - that's all.